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January 21, 2010

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Anne

New York and New Jersey accents seem to be fair game, especially with the popularity of "The Sopranos" and mere existing of the show "Jersey Shore", among others. Well, I'm from the Jersey Shore and I don't find it funny. I recently had an opportunity to influence vendor selection for a project with a $100,000 budget. One of the vendors threw in one too many fuggedaboutits in their sample script and they were eliminated from the bidding process.

Lynn Gaertner-Johnston

Anne, thank you for that powerful example.

Please allow me to translate "fuggedaboutits" for those who aren't familiar with the accent. It means the phrase "forget about it" made plural.

Lynn

Lester Smith

I believe this sort of joking comes in three categories:

1.) Companionable: This assumes a very close bond between two people, and it communicates affection.

2.) Uncomfortable: Some jokers cover their own discomfort by poking fun at others. In a business setting, this can be very revealing. Usually, the joking itself is best ignored.

3.) Demeaning: In effect, this is bullying, and I don't think it's ever worth suffering through for the sake of "politeness." Better to either cut ties (as the previous commenter did) or matter-of-factly confront the perpetrator with a reminder of appropriate behavior.

That's the view from here. (My roots are a mix of Southern and Northern, by the way.) Thanks for bringing up such an interesting topic!

Lynn Gaertner-Johnston

Hi, Lester. Thanks for your analysis. You may be absolutely right.

I worry about a blurring of the "companionable" category. I would not be surprised if the aggressor in the writing class considered himself companionable, even though his colleague felt worn down and mistreated.

It's always good to hear from you.

Lynn

Waqas Ali

Well, I'm totally agree with Lynn and Lester as well.

Here in Pakistan most of the time we see "Uncomfortable" category. Many writers make fun of others, just to secure themselves.

But hopefully I'll avoid to do so.

It is very good to bring such an issue under discussion. Thank you very much every body.

Lynn Gaertner-Johnston

Waqas, I am glad you appreciated the discussion. Thanks for contributing.

Lynn

Marva

Both gentlemen touch on a very timely topic: cultural awareness of the target audience.

Superiors may use jokes as a way to exert power (bullying/demeaning subordinates)
or equals may use them as a way to find some sort of connection.

This actually happens a lot when people write business e-mails.
Jokes--either verbal or business--usually fall in the realm of being cliche--we've heard it all before--just as Lester stated.

For example,the "joking" omission of a person's title and/or first name in an e-mail could create problems in a collaborative work environment. Thinking about someone who used the military form of address generally aimed at lower enlisted personnel. He used only my last name in a written e-mail that went out to higher-ups in an attempt to demean me recently. I work in academia--totally different culture from the military.

Ironically, the person in question is from a non-North American culture where honorifics are even more highly valued than in the U.S.

Thanks,Lynn,for such a user-friendly forum.

Cathy Miller

Lynn, my Dad was a true southern gentleman, so I have a special place in my heart for the topic.

Whether it's in writing or social interacting, generalizations about any class or type of person are a minefield. With writing, you have the added risk of someone "taking it the wrong way."

I have seen some sweeping generalizations online. Perhaps the "be yourself" thinking of social media influences these oh-oh moments. People write before they think.

A blog talking about marketing on Facebook said you wouldn't be crazy to market on Facebook if you provide products or services to postmenopausal women because women over the age of 55 make up the fastest-growing Facebook segment.

One commenter took exception when she thought the post was written by the male owner of the blog. Interestingly, she apologized when she realized it was a guest post by a female.

Personally, I thought the example was poorly conceived (perhaps because I am one of those "over 55" women). I would like to think marketers look at the "over 55 women" for something other than being postmenopausal.

There are blogs that ridicule others who they feel demonstrate their social media and technical ignorance. If I'm one of those people, why would I want to work with you?

It's one thing when you make yourself the butt of the joke. For example, "As a postmenopausal woman over the age of 55, there are things I am interested in that my 20-year-old niece could care less about." Now I'm the one putting that tag on me.

The good news is with so much of our business in writing due to social media, we can always edit before sending-something I wish I had with certain conversations.

:-)

Lynn Gaertner-Johnston

Hi, Marva and Cathy. Thank you for your thoughtful comments.

Marva, I appreciate your example of being called by your last name and what that signified. I have not had that experience but I can imagine what it felt like.

Cathy, I love your wish for an edit feature on spoken conversations. That would be a priceless feature! I also like the point you raised about not wanting to work with people who ridicule people like you. That topic is worth much more discussion.

Lynn

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